While written with the knowledge of Alice Cooper's management, and with input from Alice's archivist, this book is NOT an official Alice Cooper item, but it is not a bootleg either. Considered to be a decentresource for information to many, it is not without its errors. This publication is somewhat useful if you keep in my the following corrections:
These corrections were mainly found by Alice Cooper archivist (and personal assistant) Brian Nelson, and long-time fan/collector Andy Michael. A lot of the tour dates in the book are also wrong and a lot of them are missing.
Original
list of corrections in white*
Dale's comments are in yellow*
Brian's comments are in red*
Andy's comments are in grey*
My comments are in fuchsia
*-most comments taken from the Sickthings archives
Now go grab your copy and play along!
p.
14:
- I've never heard that Alice had any kind of an agenda that by calling
himself Alice it would hide his identity from conservative people in
Phoenix.
Alice
stated that he change his name in Me, Alice to avoid trouble with his
father.
I don't recall that passage. Skimmed the book
for it. What page is it on? Changing your name to a girl's is a strange
way to avoid trouble!
- Wrong photo for caption. This is the Alice Cooper Compleat Comic Book. Not the Complete Songbook.
Also
the caption is incorrect, but this was an error on the editorial side
of the book and not done by myself. We'll
correct that the next time around.
p.
15:
- "Greenberg" is spelled two different ways ("Greenburg")
First thing is typo.
- Band did not stay in Pontiac until School's Out. They had relocated to the Galesi Mansion in Greenwich, CT
Second
is a misreading of the text.
No it isn't. The book says, "...by moving
to Pontiac, MI, where they would stay until after the completion of
the School's Out album in 1972." The band recorded some of School's
Out in the Cooper Mansion in CT. How could
they have stayed at the farm in Pontiac until it was finished???
- Joe Gannon's last involvement with Alice was and will be in 1992.
Third
is a misreading of the text.
No it isn't. The book says, "Gannon would
work with Alice from then up to the present as well". I take "the
present" to mean as of the writing of this book (1998/99). Gannon
has not worked with Alice since '92. He is basically retired from the
business so it would be impossible for him to work for Alice in the
present. You could have written that line about Shep Gordon but not
Joe Gannon.
p.
17:
- The first Straight label was not pink. It was orange.
Different
people disagree on this point. I went with majority-rules.
Different people are wrong. The proof is in the
record itself. I have the orange label. It was first. That one there
is no question on.
I respectfully suggest the majority are wrong.
If you think about it, the pink label later had the WB catalogue numbers
incorporated in it for LITD. The orange never did. What does that tell
you? Also, Living/Reflected came out (in 1969) on the orange label.
What does that tell you?
p.
18:
- No production credits for "Why Don't" and "Don't Blow"
or "Wonder".
- "Don't Blow" was not produced by the band (but rather Forster Cayce)
- "Don't Blow" was not written by entire band.
Went
with established history, there was no mention of a producer elsewhere
and other sources state it was the band who produced. I'll gladly correct
this.
On the contrary, the credits appear on the singles
themselves. Who's established history???
p.
19:
- Unless there is something in the Michael Bruce book (No More Mr. Nice
Guy) that states such, I know of no legal problems over rights that
delayed the Pretties album.
Alice
stated this in interviews (maybe Me, Alice? I'll have to double-check
that one.)
You may have that confused with the legal hassles
that the band experiened after the first 2 albums.
p.
20:
- Enigma did not release much of the Cooper catalog on CD.
I
consider releasing PFY through GOES TO HELL and three other albums to
me a good majority of albums to be released by Enigma.
They would be but they weren't! You have all of
those CDs and they all say Enigma on them? I don't think so. Warner
Bros. released Love It To Death thru Goes To Hell. No doubt about that
one!!
PFY was Enigma. EA was Enigma. LITD through to
BDB was WB. MOL was Metal Blade/WB. ACGH was WB. WTMN was Atlantic.
AGTH was WB. How is that " a good majority on Enigma"?
p.
21:
- There are actually only two photos of Alice that are enhanced into
larger areas--not really 4 photos of him.
- Unless there is something in the Michael Bruce book or another source that states such, I was not aware that the Smothers bite was from their tv show...did they have a TV show in the late 60's? I thought Smothers recorded that for them.
Nothing
to disagree with here. Difference of opinion more than anything.
True. But it the context of what you were writing,
it may have been overstated.
p.
22:
- I am not aware of "Easy Action" being released in Japan.
Not saying it wasn't but first I've heard of it.
EASY
ACTION was released in Japan. Way it goes.
I would defer to one of the major vinyl collectors
out there on that one.
Can you provide evidence for this?
p.
25:
- "My Very Own" was never actually a title as far as I know.
Think that was a title "invented" by bootleggers?
My
Very Own" is listed in a few places and fans know the song by that
name, so I went with that title.
Right. Fan's usually aren't involved in songwriting
though.
- "Eighteen" is listed being released March '71 but according to the Rhino researcher says it is 11/11/70
Research
on "I'm Eighteen." I disagree about Rhino
Fair enough. Although he used the files and data
records from Warner Bros.
p.
31:
- Desperado was never a concert standard and never popped up until 1989
which is the very *first* time Alice performed it live. Halo of Flies
was never performed after 1972 until it resurfaced around 1996.
Reading
too much into the text.
Not at all. I am merely reading what you wrote.
"Desperado" would become a standard.
No. Not until Alice performed for the FIRST time
EVER in 1989. That's not what you wrote.
Maybe not right then, but it did join half the
KILLER album to become a standard concert song.
Don't know what that means. If you are saying
that it was done on the Killer tour, you are incorrect. It wasn't a
standard concert song until 1989 so the Killer album has nothing to
do with it.
Well who'se fault is that? Just correcting what
the text says. What the text says is not strictly true. It is NOT a
standard concert song. Think of it this way: Alice has performed what
could be described as seventeen seperate tours since 1971, yet Desperado
has only been performed on four tours. Hardly a standard.
- There was no Feb. '72 Euro tour (though one was planned).
- All CD release dates for the U.S. appear to be incorrect. Killer was not on CD October 1990. They were available as early as March 1990. I believe the Japanese CD release dates are inaccurate as well.
As
to CD info being incorrect, I'm afraid Ren is wrong. The Japanese CD
release dates are not inaccurate as per Japanese sources.
Going by Andy on that one. He recalls me showing
him the Japanese CDs (bought them in a store-not promos) when I was
on tour in Europe. The concert dates that I saw him at *preceded* the
dates you had so it seems very mysterious.
Can I respectfully suggest your sources are wrong?
I am 99.9% certain that Brian showed me Jap CD, in June / July 1990
when we were in Paris. Sorry Dale, you're going to have to trust me
on this one.
p.
36:
- "Grand Finale" is not listed on the outside or inside of
the song list on School's Out? I don't have access to my vinyl but not
sure this is correct.
Grand
Finale" REALLY isn't listed on the outside or inside of the jacket.
Look at the cover of the original pressing.
Didn't have an original vinyl available but it
seems a bit strange that they went back and added it later (not impossible).
I did. It's there on the inside, at least on the
various European releases (originals) I checked. Why would such a tiny
detail be different with the original US pressing?. The original pressings
did not have the song lists on the back of the desk but when they did
later, GF was there.
p.
37:
- Alive is indeed credited on both prior albums.
ALIVE
is not listed on the liner notes on the first two albums. (Maybe in
subsequent reissues, but not on the originals at least.)
Would have to double check my vinyl. Again, would
seem strange that they squeezed it in later.
- Beige panties?
And,
yep, beige panties. What can I tell you.
I'll believe it when someone shows me. Probably
just discolored white ones.
You can tell me you can send me a pic. of this.
You're sure it's not aged white panties?
p.38:
- Says Gutter Cats yet photo clearly shows Gutter Cat.
Typo.
- Would be surprised that School's Out went gold as soon as 10 July 1972. Albums rarely sold and were certified that quickly back in those days.
And really no disagreement about the Gold statue of "School's Out." I was going by RIAA reports on this one, and they could be off.
p.
41:
- on p.36, the release of the SO single is listed as April. This page
says May.
Typo.
p.
44:
- EP was Australian, not UK.
Turns
out that this is correct. There is a EP for the UK, but the cover shown
is for the Australian one. We'll correct this the next time around as
well.
Not sure but i dont' think so.
p.
46:
- Donavan was not part of the "drunken" Morgan Studio session.
Depends
on who you talk to. All historical accounts make him part of the group,
so if he wasn't there, this is new.
Absolutely wrong. None or barely any of the historical
accouts make him there. Again, the proof is in the photos! He wasn't
there and that's why his track actually wound up on the album because
it was done at a different time.
p.
48:
- As can be seen in the photo, the songwriting credit of Slick Black
Limousine is Dunaway/Cooper.
No argument here.
p.
54:
- Potentially misleading to credit Bob Greene as back up vocals. He
is not listed on the albums credits and certainly could have been left
out of the mix which would mean that he does not appear on the album.
Dale does later include my point on page 56.
I
mentioned in the text about Bob Greene and "is he/isn't he"
on the album. It is not misleading at all.
As we discussed, it seemed terribly unnessary.
Since you don't know it for a fact and the powers that be never included
him in the album credits, it was silly to list him in your credits.
p.
55:
- Teenage Lament has a choir singing on it?
Certainly
sounds like a choir, doesn't it?
No. If that's the case, why didn't you refer the
back-ups on the album Hey Stoopid as a choir? Many more singers on that
album than on MOL.
This is the track that has been mentioned numerous
times as being the one to include all the notable additional singers.
choir (kwhr) n. 1. An organized company of singers,
especially one performing church music or singing in a church. 2. a.
The part of a church used by such a company of singers. b. The part
of the chancel in a cruciform church that is occupied by this company
of singers. 3. Music a. A group of instruments of the same kind: a string
choir.
p.
57:
- Not sure why the insert would necessarily be damaged. None of mine
have been to this day.
A
bit nitpicky here. I've seen numerous copies either missing the insert
or damaged in one way or another (usually by kids who tried to make
the book-cover than unfolded the insert and put it back in the album).
Difference of opinion, really.
You can say that about ANY album that has an insert.
That's not what you wrote in the book. You say it was "difficult
to keep the album in proper shape without damaging the insert".
It infers that it would be damaged due to the way the album was packaged.
p.
58:
- There an additional insert for Argentina? Of what?
That's
the problem, no additional info on what the insert was. Still, wanted
to mention it in the text.
Yes, that is a problem. Without knowing it for
a fact, perhaps it would be better not to mention it. What source indicated
that there was an additional insert? Perhaps you could have included
a disclaimer of sorts or indicated that rumor had it such a thing exists.
Was that wise given that you had no real info
on this?
p.
59:
- There was no demise of Metal Blade. They stopped working with Warner
Bros.
Metal
Blade disappeared for a bit of time and there were numerous reports
of them going bankrupt. That may not be true, but they did disappear.
That's not what you wrote. You wrote "demise".
demise n. 1. a. Death. b. The end of existence or activity; termination: the demise of the streetcar. 2. Law Transfer of an estate by lease or will. 3. The transfer of a ruler's authority by death or abdication. v.
Did you write that merely because you were not aware of them? That's poor research. Here's their phone number: 805-522-9111
p.
62:
- EP was 7" not 10".
Correct. A typo on my part that I meant to correct before it got to the publisher.
- How is that an optical illusion?
The
illusion is created by giving the cover an almost 3-D effect. No biggie.
It's kind of a biggie because some collectors
might was time trying to hunt down a non-existent 10" as per your
book.
p.
65:
- Not aware of any School's Out EP released in 1975 in UK
This
was verified. There was one and it's listed.
I'll derer to the major vinyl collectors out there.
p.
68:
- Alice settled on his trademark make-up in 1971 on the Killer tour.
Hhmmm,
I disagree about this, but let's more on.
Well, seeing that he first started using it on
the Killer tour and used it all the way up to 1980, I would call that
pretty settled. How do you disagree? Please! Share with us. You make
these statements throughout and you don't write the slightest thing
to substantiate them! Tell us how you figure that Alice hadn't already
settled on his trademark make-up. What other make-up was he doing?
How can you disagree? Look at pictures taken in
1971!
p.
68:
- Toronto was Sept. 13 not 12.
The
show was September 12. It has been reported as such in many Lennon bios
as well.
The show was September 13. I have the original
poster and backstage passes right in front of me. The Lennon bios are
wrong.
But I have a flyer that says Sept. 13. Check out
Paul Brenton's book as well. You have the wrong date.
p.
70:
- Should read after "LITD" tour ended not after The Nightmare
Returns tour.
Difference
of opinion more than anything else here.
No. You're checking the wrong passage. You wrote,
"Return Of the Spiders was the only song from the first two albums
to make a regular appearance in the set list during the tour. After
the Nightmare Returns tour ended, none
of the tracks from the first two albums would again appear in concert.
You meant to write after the Love It To Death tour. That's not opinion, that's fact. Otherwise, the sentence make no sense at all. Why would a tour in 1986 have anything to do with songs that weren't done after c. 1971???
- Says Killer tour started in '72 then says it started officially in Dec. '71.
p.
71:
- Cindy Smith did not appear in the Killer show.
This
goes against established history.
What established history?? No one that I've ever
spoken to about Alice in 25 years ever established that to me! What
are your sources? If she did perform in the Killer and School's Out
shows, what part did she play??? There were no parts so how could she
be in the show!?
If it's true, then it is new info. Certainly contradicts
Bob Greene's book completely.
Don't think you researched carefully. What page
of Bob Greene's book contradicts that? Please give me the number. I
did a word search and only found these 2 passages referring to the topic:
a)
Dennis and Cindy had lived together for years; except for the airplane
and limousine rides, and the actual performances, they seldom saw the
rest of the tour party. Cindy played the part of the dancing tooth in
the stage
show, and she designed the band's costumes.
b) Since she had been with the band all along -- first as Neal's sister and Dennis's girl friend, then as the costume designer, now as the on-stage dancing tooth
That says nothing about her being a performer in the Killer or School's Out shows.
- I doubt Is it My Body was played after School's Out. That is likely taken from a tape which was probaby edited that way by some bootlegger.
- There was no extra guitar player on the School's Out tour.
p.
72:
- Cindy Smith did not perform in the School's Out show.
This
goes against established history. If it's true, then it is new info.
Certainly contradicts Bob Greene's book completely.
See above for page 71.
p.
73:
- Fails to point out the theatrics of "Guttercat" and "Streetfight"
A
bit nitpicky, but understandable.
If you're going to write a book that strives to
give detail, one should be nitpicky.
- Hollywood Bowl show was not professionally recorded.
I
disagree about the Hollywood bowl not being professional recorded.
A dude in the audience with a tape recorder is
not "professionally" recorded. The recording of the H. Bowl
show is a BOOTLEG. That term alone contradicts the term "professional".
I've been a *collector* (and that is what the book is about) since 1972
and the norm is to distinguish recordings as a bootleg (unauthorized)
or "professional". An example of a professional recording
would be the bootlegs of the "Alice Cooper Trashes The World"
video that has been reproduced and put onto CD.
As
good of a recording as H.B, it is misleading to the reader. A professionally
recorded show is though of being just that. And a professionally recorded
show is most typically understood to be recorded through the sound and
mixing board.
And to this day (2007), no professional recording
of this show has surfaced. But there is a very good bootleg copy going
around.
p.
74:
- Mashbir and Dolin were in most cases at the side of the stage...not
behind the stage and usually visable to the audience.
Depended
on the situation. Still, an understandable nitpick.
I intentionally "in most cases" because
I, of course, was not at every show. However, your statement was wrong
and misleading in that there was not a conscious effort to hide these
musicians. If it is a nitpick, perhaps it is better left out of the
book. You wrote, "(not seen on stage)". It's misinformation.
I bet Mashbir or Dolin or the guys who set up the stage might not think
it was nitpicking! The spotlight even goes to those guys at one point
in the GTSYAC movie.
p.
78:
- Caption should probably indicate that this is a bootleg.
Agree.
p.
79:
- Fails to mention a piece of Levity Ball can be seen in Prime Cuts.
Although it's mentioned during the review of PRIME CUTS, I could see mentioning it here as well.
p.
80:
- Did not perform "Eighteen" on in "Beat Club" 1971
Depends
on who you talk to about this.
Whomever you are speaking to, might be confused.
Who are these mysterious sources you refer to? The first appearance
was the band performing Under My Wheels. The 2nd time they were on is
when they did Eighteen and Public Animal. Can't imagine the tape of
18 would not have surfaced at this point seeing that everything else
from that show seems to have...and on DVD no less!
And to whom did you talk?
Still no evidence of such recording.
p.
87:
- Alice appeared on two Rolling Stone covers, not several.
Disagreement
on wording. Can't totally disagree with Ren's comemnt though and could
certainly see changing it in the future.
No. Alice was on cover of *twice*. The book says
several.
several adj. 1. Being of a number more than two or three
p.
90:
- Poster is of Alice only.
Agree.
p.
93:
- Should read: Some Folks (Cooper, ALAN Gordon, and Exrin).
p.
93:
- I don't think the intention on B$B and MOL was to fill them with guest
performers. Especially not B$B.
Difference
of opinion.
Not at all. Other than Donavan, *who* are these
"guest" performers that B$B was filled up with. Are you referring
to the *ghost* players on that album. If so, that's a whole different
can of worms and that was done not because of a *desire* to fill up
the album but rather necessity. Fact.m Not opinion.
- Dec. '74 should be Dec. '75.
p.
94:
- Don't think that Atlantic is a subsidiary of Warner Bros.
It
was.
I thought it was more of a partner or sister company
than a subsidiary.
p.
99:
- "WTMN" EP was 1977 not 1978.
Can't totally disagree with this. May be a typo and I'll double-check.
p.
109:
- Brazilian EP was 7".
A typo that should have been correct.
p.
110:
- Australian EP is 7"
A typo that should have been correct.
p.
114:
- "Stay" was a hit in 1991 in the UK and '92 in the US. Not
1990.
Depends
on who you talk to. The song was released in 1990 (although at the end
of the year). This is verified through other SS sites.
I'm going by Billboard magazine. Usually a pretty
darn good source!
p.
119:
- "the future Mr. Cooper". Did Sheryl have a sex change?
Cute. Typo.
p.
122:
- A Fistful came out in 1997 not 1996
Typo, although it should have read that it was the only live album recorded until 1996 with A FISTFUL.
- Snake auditions were in Century City, CA at least a few days before the show and not in Anaheim.
As
to the snake audition, again this goes against established history in
newspaper articles and other sources.
What is your criteria of established history?
I can show you dozens of newspaper article that say Century City. That
is the established *fact*.
p.
123:
- The Summer Tour was not to promote From The Inside. That album was
still being worked on and there was no reference to it at all on this
tour.
And
why couldn't this help promote the next album? I'm a bit lost on that
one.
You ususally would mention the name of an album
if you were going to promote it. Rather than asking "why this couldn't
help", the question is actually, HOW did this promote From The
Inside? The answer is that it didn't. Please
provide press clippings from this tour that would indicate otherwise.
Because it (FTI) wasn't even finished or released by that point. It
came out months after the end of the 1978 Summer tour! The tour had
zero to do with the album.
- "Tour was not a lot like" the Silver Screen show. It was exactly the same.
You
would think "a lot like" would be closer to the truth than
"exactly like". Are these the same performers, songs, etc.?
No. It's nitpicky.
Yes. The stage and the set list were exactly the
same. What songs were different? Granted, there were other musicians
but the show was indeed the same.
- The Babys were not supporting act on the Summer 1978 tour.
p.
124:
- April 27 date Iowa contradicts April 27 date later given to Buffalo
on page 123.
Agree.
p.
125:
- Don't think that Blondie or Eddie Money did any shows on that tour.
They were on some of Summer '78 tour I believe.
- 1970 should read 1971.
- Actually, Alice is "poured" out of one of the bottles and struts (as opposed to crawl) onto the stage.
Seems
to be more of a difference of opinion here than anything.
Watch the video, moron! It is clear that Alice
is 'poured' out of the bottle.
p.
126:
- I think the Snoop Sisters was filmed in '74.
- "While performing his final shows with the Alice Cooper Group in South America, Alice appeared on this game show over the course of a few days." Talk about being in two place at the same time! Evidently, what is meant that the episodes aired during the same time as the SA tour was occuring.
Again, more of a difference of opinion.
p.
127:
- "Dept. Youth" clip is not an "in concert" performance.
It
certainly is produced like an "in-concert" performance. Misreading
of the text, I believe.
But that's not what the book says.
p.
129:
- Caption should probably indicate that this is a bootleg
No disagreement here.
p.
130:
- Cemetary footage was not taken from Good To See You. It was recreated
and newly re-shot.
I stand corrected on this one. There are several similaritie and one particular shot that is the same, but beyond that, they are different shoots.
p.
133:
- Captions make no sense. both were covers of official US releases.
The one on the right in the UK, the one on the left is US. It was a typo on the editorial side.
- The performances of the other acts are horrible.
p.
135:
- Actually, the original script called for Alice to sing "I Never
Cry" which was then changed to "No Time For Tears" and
finally "Next, Next".
p.
136:
- Also features Bernie Taupin as the medic.
P.138:
- Me, Alice also includes being on the WTMN tour.
New info. Will certainly add to any updates.
p.
140:
- Alice's make up and costuming did not change towards the end of Madhouse
Rock and by the time of Roadie.
This
is a matter of opinion, once again.
Not in the slightest. Alice is wearing the make-up
and the outfit from Madhouse Rock in the movie!!! How does that show
a change to the look of Flush The Fashion?
- Albums and singles in UK and Europe in that period were not doing particularly fine by regular popularity standards.
p.
141:
- Lyrics more political? That's debatable.
Again, opinion.
p.
146:
- Welcome To My Nightmare was 1975.
Typo.
- Special Forces did not include songs developed in concert before making it to the studio. The album was finished but not released when the tour started.
And
difference of opinion, it seems.
Absolutely not. I was there!!!!!!! My statement
of, "-Special Forces did not include songs developed in concert
before making it to the studio. The album was finished but not released
when the tour started." is 100% accuarate. Now you're just being
silly! There is no questioning that one. Yeesh!
- Tour started in the US in '81 and included those songs.
- Pinera was the one that usually snuck abit of Vicious Rumors on guitar during his solo, not Hitchings.
p.
150:
- "(No More)" was never actually pressed or released so it
was never pulled.
New
info. Most reports stated that it was pressed, released and then pulled.
Rest is opinion.
True, but the reports were wrong.
p.
156:
- Packaging for Dada weaker than that for ZCS or SF? that's debatable.
Fan majority has given the nod to Dada over both
Zipper and Forces. Do you know the history behind the Dada cover?
- Alice was not looking for a record label after Dada. At the time, he had no particular plans to record another album.
p.
157:
- "Additional performers" - that should include Sheryl Cooper.
Agree.
- That was the *only* show that Alice was unable to perform due to health.
And intepretation of sentence.
p.
158:
- Alice wore that jacket onstage for the Flush The Fashion show as well
and wore it well after the Twisted Sister video on both the MCA era
tours.
Won't disagree with this.
p.
159:
- Special Forces was the last tour Alice did anywhere until 1986.
Wording could have been stated a bit better. It is correct, but I agree with Ren's correction to make it clearer.
p.
162:
- Alice is also was interviewed on "Rock N' Roll-The First Twenty
Five Years".
No disagreement.
p.
165:
- It was far from being a chance meeting. Dee Snider was a huge fan
and sought out Alice.
- Alice was aware of the "metal revival" from MTV, not from meeting Dee.
Intepretational.
Not really misleading in the text.
Poorly worded.
p.
166:
- Cassettes are not released in long box packaging.
Typo on the editor's part. Honest!
p.
169:
- Winger's song was titled "Seventeen"
Correct.
p.
170:
- There were more than 4 additional songs that were written for Constrictor
that were not on the album.
- Robert William Athis IS in fact Kane Roberts.
Good additional NEW info.
- Constrictor UK cover was censored?
And
yes, the UK cover was censored.
How so? I have never seen a censored cover. In
fact, nobody has!
p.
173:
- How are ZCS and Dada are a pair? How??? I don't agree with that at
all.
- Perhaps the 2 MCA albums were packaged together since they were the only albums that MCA owned.
Matter
of opinion, really, on the 2 MCA albums and ZCS and DADA.
I agree with the MCA albums being a pair, but
what are you basing ZCS and Dada on? Those albums are completely disconnected
from one another. I'd be willing to bet that Alice would agree. Please
elaborate.
- Kane was filmed for but did not appear in Prince Of Darkness.
Word
was that Kane was in the movie but could not be distinguished from other
cast members. This is the first time it has been mentioned that he did
not appear at all.
Just goes to show!
p.
176:
- Don't think that Desmond Child was also a succesful producer at that
time. I believe that Trash was his first major production.
He
was.
And the name of these *successful* productions
were...??? Please substantiate.
What else had he produced pre Trash? I'm not doubting
you just interested to learn.
p.
179:
- Poison did not come out in sleeve showing back of the Trash album
cover
It
did.
So, you're saying that the UK single of Poison
had a picture sleeve thatm was a reprint of the 10 song titles on the
Trash album with a big 1 & 2 on it? Strange.
p.
182:
- Don't think that House Of Fire 12" come out in Nov. 1989 since
it includes tracks ecorded in Dec. 1989.
It's
there.
Misinformation on the sleeve, I believe. Understandable
mistake.
-
Don't think there is a stock unshaped picture disc for House Of Fire
but rather only a few test pressings of it?
There have been reports of 'uncut' discs, but
they certainly were not stock.
p.
184:
- I believe that Only My Heart Talkin' was released in a 3" CD
packaging
Not
according to sources that have them.
It was. In Japan.
p.
185:
- I don't recall clowns being used in the show before 1997.
I
guess this is a matter of opinion, then.
Matter of opinion on what?
About the clowns? What shows had clowns in them?
What opinion? What sources? Where is the evidence
for clowns being used pre 1997? Ditto the cover songs stuff?
Very strange! Still no evidence of clowns before
1997.
- I don't recall of any cover songs being done between 1984-1990.
Other
sources state otherwise.
What do other sources say?
You're writing some awfully vague replies.
About cover songs? What cover songs. Please list them.
Your rebuttal is moot if you don't give examples.
Still no evidence of cover songs performed 1984-1990.
- Was not the leather outfit from Madhouse - just the leather pants.
Agree about the pants, though.
p.
186:
- Don't think that the Nightmare Returns stage was reminiscent of the
WTMN stage. The WTMN stage was a bed, a toy box and two towers. The
Nightmare Returns stage was a cage and a worn down carnival.
Matter
of opinion.
Again, your rebuttal might hold water if you specified.
Can you give examples? I did. The Nightmare stage was actually quite
sterile. The Nightmare Returns stage was supposed to have the feel of
a junkyard.
Hysterical.
COMPLETELY different stages. Watch the DVDs!
p.
187:
- Didn't use the trick sword on the Special Forces tour.
Appears
to have been used during that tour.
It wasn't. I was in charge of getting those props
before going on tour.
- Guns N Roses opened the Santa Barbara show, not San Bernadino.
I agree about GNR, though. Typo.
p.
189:
- Ace Frehley and Faster Pussycat both opened at the same shows early
on in the tour.
A misleading sentence, although not completely incorrect.
p.
192:
- A band called The Front also opened several US shows on that tour.
New info. Thanks.
p.
195:
- There was also a Athens show broadcast on Greek TV.
New info, thanks.
- Again, Roadie does not show a transitional Alice. Other than tying his hair back in a couple of scenes, Alice wears his trademark make-up and black leather in the film.
As
to ROADIE showing a transitional Alice, it's really a matter of opinion,
now, isn't it?
Not really. An opinion should still be based upon
some kind of information. Again, other than wearing his hair back for
*part* of the film, he is decked out in full Alice regalia...the whole
dinner scene is based on that! You state but you never elaborate. Without
elaboration, one could give the opinion that Roadie showed Alice showing
his strong jazz influences. I wouldn't give that opinion much validity.
p.
199:
- Freedom video was not film at the NEC. It was filmed in Los Angeles.
This
is different from other sources.
I was there.
p.
206:
- "CaraDonna"
Bless
you.
I get it. But for a book that points out that
Winger was spelled wrong on Contrictor, one would hope that the same
guide would have correct spellings of names!
p.
202:
- Also co - hosted a segment of the AMA's.
No disagreement.
p.
207:
- There was also a video for "Feed My Frankenstein"
Quite right. Surprised that one got by me.
p.
209:
- "Beba"
Typoes.
Typos
p.
217:
- "Beach"
Typoes.
Typos
p.
220:
- Set list is misleading. Some songs were instrumental medleys.
Can't
say it's really misleading. The songs are used. Matter of opinion, really.
Again, for a book striving for detail, it might
have been added. Not a mistake though.
When writting up set lists, medleys are almost
always noted as such.
p.
221:
- Says tour lasted a month but dates show it lasted longer.
Should have read "just over two months." My bad.
- Film did not end with Alice breaking from emerging skull.
As
to the film, the concert ends with him breaking form emerging skull.
No, the film ends with him being swallowed by
the skull and the skull fades away and disappears.
It does NOT. Alice is crushed by the jaws, the
screen goes down, there is fancy lighting on the skull behind the screen
then the lights go up and there is Alice in front tof the screen in
top hat and tails. Why would he break though a skull that late in the
show whe he broke through the skull at the START of the show?!
p.
225:
- South America tour did not feature same personnel that finished Hey
Stoopid tour.
Hhhhmmmm.
For example, Paul Taylor played guitar in S. America
and no other Alice shows.
p.
230:
- Posion was never done as an encore song.
Disagree.
I'll split the difference. You wrote that it was
"sometimes" done as an encore. It has now been established
it was done exacty *once* as an encore. Poorly worded either way.
p.
235:
- There is no Hey Stoopid concert footage in Prime Cuts.
There
is.
Holy crap! I produced it! What concert footage?!?!
There's only footage of Slash in the studio for Hey Stoopid. We hadn't
even done that tour but the time Prime Cuts was finished!!!! Again,
*what* is the concert footage that you refer to? You don't give examples.
I had the final say in what footage went into Prime Cuts. No footage
from the HS tour exists that I would have found interesting to put in
the tape. Now you're being silly.
Where? Where is there concert footage on HS in
Prime Cuts. Remember the tape came out before the tour started? Do tell
me the exact point on the tape where there is HS concert footage.
I still can't find it.
p.
237:
- TOTP was not taped and broadcast the same day.
Okay, I stand corrected on this one.
p.
241:
- "as if continuing the "street fight" segment from the
earlier "School's Out" tour"...have no idea what the
means.
That's
okay. I'm cool with that. :-)
Are you going to let any of us know what it means?
:-)
p.
242:
- Omits mention of Compleat TLT book.
As to the Compleat TLT book, I agree it should have been mentioned here (although it is mentioned elsewhere in the book).
p.
244:
- There were no "contractual reasons". Straight paid for and
owned the recording and had the rights to release them.
Doesn't
the fact that Straight payed for them and owned them make it a contractual
reason?
It was oddly worded.
- Nobody Likes Me also appeared on some bootlegs.
p.
247:
- 1986 not 1985.
p.
257:
- There are no extra tracks from B$B on Beast of Alice Cooper
p
.259:
- Magazine was not plastic sealed.
My
copy was.
Must have been done by the local merchant.
p.
264:
- I Got A Line was not released as just as a promo only in the US.
There
was a promo release of it and is the one that most fans can find. Should
have fleshed that out a bit.
That's not what you wrote in the book. Irrelevant
what most fans have. A guide should state what exists.
Copies of the soundtrack (non promo) are still
very easily obtainable.
p.
294:
- Nobody Likes Me was not released in '72.
It
was, if you got the KILLER tourbook.
Except that the KILLER tour book was released
in 1971! Not '72.
Additional comments from Brian:
"Dale's book is quite comprehensive but by no means complete."
"I didn't say it was a bad book. As a matter of fact, in an earlier post, I wrote that I thought it was a very good effort and in later postings, I wrote that it was a major task to do such a project and in yet another post, I wrote to someone that I thought they would be mistaken in no buying it!"
"don't you think some of his denials and rebuttals on some of these inaccuracies border on the deranged and only serve to weaken the book?"
"but that (Hey Stoopid concert footage) also does not appear in Prime Cuts despite Dale's peculiar denial."
"I
guess I thought that someone who gets books published would be more
mature about some constructive criticism. But, instead he has acted
very silly and way, way too defensive. And, his constant arguements
that it's
just a matter of opinion are really ridiculous because they are not!!
Also, he refuses to admit when he's wrong. For example, I could not
believe that he responded that he wanted to investigate if Gannon was
still working for Alice rather than admit he made a mistake. Does he
actually think you are lying??? It's like the guy cannot admit that
he made some errors. Very weird"
From Dale:
"If anyone wants to contact me about when an update may occur, or have suggestions for an update, feel free to contact me at justabob@iglou.com. I'm always available and always ready to discuss." - 5/9/2003
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